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Wadas in the Sky

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Incidentally, speaking of bracteates, here is a picture of another one from Poland. This one comes from Karlino, Białogard county. It is classified as IK 367.

An inscription on it has been deciphered as:

ᚹᚫᛁᚷᚫ or “waiga

The picture is supposed to be of Odin.

However, whether this Antonsen read is correct is, too, uncertain. If you look at the bracteate it seems to say:

ᚹᚫᛞᚫ or “wada

or, maybe, ᚹᚫᛁᛞᚫ, that is, “waida

And the alleged Odin, has no beard and rather long-hair (a common depiction of bracteate riders which also raises questions).

The Polish surname “Wajda” is, incidentally, also of uncertain origin with Hungarian, Polish and German origin possible. Vaidila was an Old Prussian name for an “magician.” However, these words are pronounced with a “v” sound rather than a “w”.

This was part of a hoard discovered in 1839 or 1840 which contained six other bracteates – all the same and without runes and this particular bracteate. They were brought to the Museum Vaterländischer Alterthümer (number MVF, II 5868) which was subsequently bombed to the ground but not before it was reorganized as part of the Museum für Vor- und Frühgeschichte in Berlin Charlottenburg, after which one of the six sister bracteates disappeared and then, post-WWII, the rest were carried away by the Soviets as war booty to be deposited at the Puskin Museum in Moscow (like the SABAR bracteate). Other items part of the same hoard included a bunch of rings with one containing further runes in two rows (picture from Rozalia Tybulewicz, “A Hoard from the Migration Period from Karlino (North-Western Poland)”).

The runes, if read the same way – left to right – as the above ring may read:

ᛇ (or ᚫ?)
ᚢᛚᚫ

or “ï ula

This is not entirely clear and some have read the “bottom” row as “alu” reading right to left. Note that the bottom row may have to be mirrored since, as is, it has no recognizable runes. Further the “top” row itself may be “upside down” relative to the bottom row.

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July 6, 2023

Belgrad on the Bodensee

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We previously mentioned Belgrad on the coast of the Bodensee (Lacus Veneticus aka Lacus Moesius or Mursianus?). Here is a 19th century map showing the same. Now, the Serbian Belgrad came under the Habsburgs in the 18th century so could this be related? It seems the earliest mention of the town is from 1794.

As one of the commenters below notes, Belgrad (White Town) on the above map is next to Schönengardt (Pretty Town) which has a, strikingly corresponding – though not exactly the same – meaning.

Perhaps even more interesting is the fact that Belgrad could be read to have the same meaning as another “White Town”, that is, Vindobona. Vindobona was, of course, supposedly the Celtic town whose name in Suavic would be Belgrad/Białogród and which refers to Vienna (Czech Wídeń, supposedly itself from Vindobona). Of course, the area in question is not exactly close to Vienna but it was the site of the Roman war with Vindelici.

Of course, Belgrad is not the only Suavic sounding name in the area. We have:

  • Grod
  • Kremle, originally, Cremln
  • Bettnau, originally, Betnów
  • Hattnau, originally Hattenów
  • the regional center Lindau was first registered as Lintowa
  • Schreckenmanklitz, Ruppenmanklitz, earlier Manklitz or Mantlis
  • Reutenen, earlier Rútinen (compare Ruciane)
  • Reutin, but earlier Rúti but too Rúty
  • likewise Oberreutin, earlier Obrarútinen as well as Obrorúty and Unterreute, earlier Niderruti or Niderreuttin
  • Köchlin, earlier Kechli but elsewhere by Beuron you have a similar Koechlin in a land register
  • Scheffau, earlier Scheffów
  • Schmallenberger, earlier Smalinberg
  • Schönau, earlier Schönnowe
  • Edelitz, earlier Medelitz
  • Itzlings, earlier Izilinz, Yczlins, Nytzlis but also Mitzlitz, Mytzlis
  • Menzen, earlier Menzin
  • Scharfentöbele, earlier Töbelin
  • Schache, earlier Birscachin
  • Rehlings, earlier Röwlin
  • Schweinebach, earlier Swinobach, Swinibach

Of course, most or even all of these may not be of Suavic origin. Nevertheless, it would seem that serious study of the matter might be worthwhile here.

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July 5, 2023

Turkic Scandinavians

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An interesting thing about the various bracteates found in Poland is how quickly people are ready to ascribe them to various Scandinavian cultures. This is so even in instances where you have runic writing on them which fails to at least is hard to square with any known Germanic language.

We have the runes of Soschychne written SDIRALIT (compare Russian сдира́ли, Polish zdzierać, etc.) which has been read backwards (right to left) to produce TILARIDS and invent a Germanic word not attested anywhere else. The possibility of the Suavic is ignored.

As Oskar Bandle, ‎Lennart Elmevik, ‎Gun Widmark note in “The Nordic Languages”:

“tilarids has been taken to be an East Germanic form and is etymologically more obscure. Its meaning is supposed to be ‘goal-rider’ or ‘attacker’, hence containing the same verbal root as ON rida ‘ride’, or less probably tilraedi n. ‘attack, assault (cf. Lehmann 1986, 345).'”

We have the rune on the spear from Dahmsdorf-Müncheberg which supposedly reads RANJA where the possibility of a connection with the Suavic ranić (to wound) or the Suavic tribe Rani are each ignored.

We have the Rozwadów spear where something that may read RPAs has been read as KRLAS or IK ERULS.

However, my personal favorite is the writing on a bracteate from Wapno, Wągrowiec district, Greater Poland Voivodeship:

What does that say? Well, reading right to left it says SABAR. Now what does that mean? This has been interpreted by Elmer Antonsen (a rather controversial runologist) as “SABA” which, apparently, could be force read to refer to the “Wise One” in some language or other so that must mean Odin. There are a number of issues with this, not the least of which is that the writing (if, indeed, reading it right-to-left is the correct way) is SABAR not SABA.

So what could SABAR mean?

Assuming you eliminate the Sabar people of Indian Bengal (Odisha though earlier Udra and Odra), a reference to a follower of Rāma from Ramayana and the idea that this refers to a Senegalese drum, you have one very interesting possibility that this is a reference to the Sabir (Σάβιροι) people, a Turkic group that lived north of the Caucasus between the 5th and 7th century – perhaps later absorbed by the Khazars. They are mentioned by Priscus as well as by a bunch of Byzantine authors. The Syriac translation of Pseudo-Zacharias Rhetor’s Ecclesiastical History refers to them as people who “live in tents, earn their living on the meat of livestock and fish, of wild animals and by their weapons (i.e., who plunder).”

But this is a problem because the rider here is typically interpreted as Odin (note the popular swastika that is found on many bracteates and, incidentally, on the very first attested Polish coin). Of course, we know that Odin came from the East… Of course this raises the question of who the Scandinavians really worshipped in Roman times. After all the earliest mention of Odin – if that is the sane person as Wadon or Wodan – is in Jonas of Bobbio’s “The Life of Columban“.

As a side note, the Suavic zbir refers to a “ruffian” but… supposedly comes from the Italian sbirro (same meaning, compare with Spanish esbirro – “henchman”. Of course, there is the question of how these words came to Italian (Spanish) – perhaps from Latin birrus (a cloak that a ruffian would wear) but were there any Sabirs in the Hunnic horde? Is there any attestation of this word prior to the Hunnic invasion? Honestly, we do not know. Was the word borrowed from Gaulish as some claim?

The bracteate was found in 1850 in a clay urn together with three other bracteates (one like the SABAR bracteate and two others made from another stamp) and a bunch of rings. They “found their way” to Berlin’s Charlottenburg Museum from which they “disappeared” after WWII only to magically “reappear” in the Pushkin Museum in Moscow. One of the SABAR bracteates was then reacquired by the Germans.

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July 4, 2023