On Slavic DNAs

Genetology and genetic historiography are the modern battlefields of peoples.   In the Slavic case, the genetologic warriors have proudly claimed R1a as Slavic.  This is because Slavic populations appear to have the highest percentage of certain types of this Y-dna.  So far so good.  In the process, the assumption was made that R1a are the “true Slavs” and the rest found in Slavic countries (we’re talking about Northern Slavs & Slovenes/some Croats – the further South you go the more I2 rather than R1a), that is R1b or I or N or anything else must not be Slavic.  This presents a number of issues…

First, if – in the highest R1a land of them all – Poland, R1a approaches 60% what do we do with the remaining >40% of the male population?  Are they not Slavic?  And considering that Y-dna accounts only for men, what does that mean for the population as a whole – are only 30% of the population true Slavs?  How do you measure women on the “Slavic scale”?

Note too that the 60% R1a is after the various German peoples (including plenty of Slavs) were deported/escaped to Germany and Poland became the most homogenous it’s been in 600 years.  So even with such forced resettlements, you could get only to almost 60%.

Second, how do we know that the original Slavs were only R1a folks?  In fact, how do we know that R1a is “the” Slavic gene?  After all, what if Slavs were I or R1b before, say, the Hun or Avar invasion making the “Slavic” y-dna, the dna of Avars or Huns…  And how that was “infused” into Slavic women, we leave for you to picture.

Third, some R1a is found in Scandinavia and that R1a is different – mostly – from the “Slavic” one.  Consequently, that R1a is a portion of R1a has been effectively ceded to the Nordics… But, by focusing on R1a, the “Slavologists” have also effectively ceded all R1b and I and other “haplogroups” to Nordics/Celts.  Suddenly, the quest for “purity” resulted in 90% of all types of dna on the continent not being true “Slavic”.  In effect the Nordic/Celtic “side” is able to claim 100% of R1b, 100% of I and a significant chunk of R1a…  R1b and I are just given up without a fight…

But this is ridiculous.  It may well be that various “African” and “Asian” haplogroups are definitively not Slavic.  However, if someone carries a R1b or I haplogroup, why should that person not be viewed as Slavic?  We are all for advocating blood relations between the Slavs but even we admit that – at some point in the past – there must have been a kernel of a community from which the Slavs arose and it is not at all clear that that kernel was constituted solely out of R1a…

And as an interesting point, note too the primary haplogroup of the speakers of the Algonquian language is R:

algonquian

And we would be remiss if we did not point out that on the shore of Lake Michigan we have the richest town in all of the state of Illinois with the melodious name of Winnetka.  That name is from the Algonquian language.  It supposedly means “pretty” (see here for a discussion of its copy-town in California) which would also fit Pokorny’s view as to what “veneti” meant.

R

The other half is on the right

Of course, the town also sits on the water so a hydronomic (as in, “wendka”, “wendit”) etymology cannot be excluded… 🙂

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April 22, 2016

2 thoughts on “On Slavic DNAs

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algonquin_language

    Algonquin (also spelled Algonkin; in Algonquin: Anicinàbemowin or Anishinàbemiwin)

    their language as Otickwàgamìmowin

    The rest of the Algonquin communities call themselves Omàmiwininiwak (down-stream men), and the language Omàmiwininìmowin (speech of the down-stream men).
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    Omàmiwininiwak – down-stream men
    Omàmiwininì__mowin__ __speech__ of the down-stream men

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