{"id":16905,"date":"2020-07-26T18:25:55","date_gmt":"2020-07-26T23:25:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jassa.org\/?p=16905"},"modified":"2020-07-26T21:46:21","modified_gmt":"2020-07-27T02:46:21","slug":"lacus-musianus-yet-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/?p=16905","title":{"rendered":"Lacus Musianus Yet Again"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Gabriel Bucelin identified the Bodensee, that is Lacus Venetus as Lacus Moesius which looks at least similar to Musianus making it a prime candidate for Jordanes&#8217; Lacus Musianus (elsewhere Mursianus). <a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/mursa1.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-16906\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/mursa1.jpg?resize=300%2C267\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"267\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/mursa1.jpg?resize=300%2C267&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/mursa1.jpg?resize=624%2C555&amp;ssl=1 624w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/mursa1.jpg?w=679&amp;ssl=1 679w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>But, perhaps more importantly, he also delivered some interesting geographic notes on the Bodensee\/south Swabia region. Here are some names of towns in the various the Catholic deaneries\u00a0(or decanates)\u00a0in the area. Some of these may not be Suavic. But that does not necessarily mean they are Teutonic either. Many may date to the Roman (and pre-Roman) period. Interestingly, some look Baltic or Old Prussian (or even Finnish or rather Finnic). To begin with Bucelin lists such names as these:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Elekow<\/li>\n<li>Burgow<\/li>\n<li>Tergenow<\/li>\n<li>Tettnow<\/li>\n<li>Ilaw (compare this with the Polish <em>I\u0142awa<\/em> (German <em>Eylau<\/em>) which was an Old Prussian town originally mentioned as\u00a0<em>Ylavia<\/em>, <em>Ylaw<\/em>, and <em>Ilow<\/em>)<\/li>\n<li>Rhynow<\/li>\n<li>Eschentz<\/li>\n<li>Hegnow<\/li>\n<li>Windeck<\/li>\n<li>Winida<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Now, let&#8217;s break this down by deaneries.<\/p>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Stuelingen<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Muchen [Mauchen]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Waldshuett<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Berouw<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Stockach<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Zellin Madach<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Lindoviensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ober-Reitnow<\/li>\n<li>Under-Reitnow<\/li>\n<li>Liggnow<\/li>\n<li>Betznow<\/li>\n<li>Tannauvv<\/li>\n<li>Laymnow<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-17075 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus.jpg?resize=300%2C232\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"232\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus.jpg?resize=300%2C232&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus.jpg?w=617&amp;ssl=1 617w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Turingen<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Illmansee (compare with Lake Ilmen whose name Vasmer derive from Finnic <i>Ilmaj\u00e4rvi<\/i>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Sancti Galli<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Goslovv<\/li>\n<li>Herisovv<\/li>\n<li>Lustnovv<\/li>\n<li>Hennow<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus2.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-17074\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus2.jpg?resize=300%2C190\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"190\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus2.jpg?resize=300%2C190&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus2.jpg?w=612&amp;ssl=1 612w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Wyl. in Turgovia<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kromnovv<\/li>\n<li>Nesslauvv (!)<\/li>\n<li>Unpinovv<\/li>\n<li>Immolin<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Elgovv<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ellgovv<\/li>\n<li>Kromnauvv ?<\/li>\n<li>Ellsovv<\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: left;\">Tennicka<a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus3.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-17073\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus3.png?resize=300%2C210\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"210\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus3.png?resize=300%2C210&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus3.png?w=564&amp;ssl=1 564w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a> <hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Winterthur<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kottbos (compare the Sorb Ch\u00f3\u015bebuz whose German name is Cottbus)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Thuriensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ussnovv<\/li>\n<li>Jannen<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Wetzicken<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Wetziken (Baltic?)<\/li>\n<li>Ustra<\/li>\n<li>Ryssickon<\/li>\n<li>Bubiskhen (Baltic? Suavic?)<\/li>\n<li>Yllnovv<\/li>\n<li>Gossovv<\/li>\n<li>Seegreben ?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus4.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-17072\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus4.jpg?resize=252%2C300\" alt=\"\" width=\"252\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus4.jpg?resize=252%2C300&amp;ssl=1 252w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus4.jpg?w=592&amp;ssl=1 592w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 252px) 100vw, 252px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Regensperg<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Klingnovv<\/li>\n<li>Tellickon<\/li>\n<li>Wissiken<\/li>\n<li>Lengnovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Bremgarttensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Stelliken (Baltic? but also have the Vandal Stilicho and Uli\u00a0Stielike, seemingly a German version of a name that otherwise appears only in Eastern Europe)<\/li>\n<li>Kinnovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Mellingensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>VVindisch<\/li>\n<li>Wolen<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Hochdorff<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Berova<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Willisgovv<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>VVillisgovv<\/li>\n<li>Brittnovv<\/li>\n<li>Metznovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Lucernensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Gessovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Arauvv<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kollickon<\/li>\n<li>Winicken<\/li>\n<li>Tullicken<\/li>\n<li>Berovv<\/li>\n<li>Kulin<\/li>\n<li>Raittnovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus5.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-17071\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus5.jpg?resize=300%2C96\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"96\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus5.jpg?resize=300%2C96&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus5.jpg?w=613&amp;ssl=1 613w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Wynoviensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Winovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Munsingensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Signovv<\/li>\n<li>Woreuu ?<\/li>\n<li>Langnovv<\/li>\n<li>Brienz ?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Basileensis sive Wisenthaal<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Tergernovv<\/li>\n<li>VVittlickon<\/li>\n<li>Ottlickon<\/li>\n<li>VVitnovv<\/li>\n<li>Tottnovv<\/li>\n<li>VVarnovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus6.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-17070\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus6.jpg?resize=300%2C144\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"144\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus6.jpg?resize=300%2C144&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.jassa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/musianus6.jpg?w=496&amp;ssl=1 496w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Newvvenburgensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Zinnicken<\/li>\n<li>Liela<\/li>\n<li>Bellicken<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Brysacensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>VVitnovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Fryburgensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Siglovv<\/li>\n<li>Lechen ?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus\u00a0Rottvillanus<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Rainhartsovv (owner was German)!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Horb, sive Dornstetten<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Hoppfovv ?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Reuttligensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Hannow<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Esslingen<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Sirnovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Kirchaimensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Dietizow<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Geppingensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Durnow<\/li>\n<li>Turndow<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Laubheimensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Russin ad Kiltissin<\/li>\n<li>Schwendi<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Wurzachensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Winden<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Sulgoviensi<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Cappell in Buchovv<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr class=' sb-hr' size='1' style='background:black'\/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Decanatus Ysnensis<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Ysni<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<p><i>Copyright \u00a92020 jassa.org All Rights Reserved<\/i><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gabriel Bucelin identified the Bodensee, that is Lacus Venetus as Lacus Moesius which looks at least similar to Musianus making it a prime candidate for Jordanes&#8217; Lacus Musianus (elsewhere Mursianus). But, perhaps more importantly, he also delivered some interesting geographic notes on the Bodensee\/south Swabia region. Here are some names of towns in the various [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16905","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-origins"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16905","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=16905"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16905\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":17282,"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16905\/revisions\/17282"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=16905"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=16905"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.jassa.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=16905"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}