The % of Goth in a Goth

As a curiousity, this is the “latest” on the so-called Wielbark culture from “Ludność kultury wielbarskiej – wyniki badań antropologicznych” by a Polish anthropologist (Piontek).

Its summary:

“… it was shown that the population of the Wielbark culture was characterized by a very high biological (genetic) similarity to the population of Western Slavs, that is the people living in the Oder and Vistula basin during the Middle Ages did not differ in biological terms from the people inhabiting these areas in the Roman period.

On the basis of a comparison analysis of different skeletal populations from Central and Eastern Europe, taking into account the morphological characteristics of a skull, it was also shown, that the populations of Wielbark culture, connected in some archeological papers with Germanic groups (Goths), show a low biological similarity with medieval German or Scandinavian populations.

Therefore, the results of anthropological analyses do not confirm the thesis about a gap in population continuity of the Oder and Vistula basin between late antiquity and the early Middle Ages but rather indicate the opposite: a high biological similarity between the people inhabiting the Oder and Vistula basin during the Roman period and in the Middle Ages.”

This raises a number of possibilities:

  • the Goths arrived in the Ukraine from further east (for example, they went over Lithuania and Belarus or from even further east)
  • the Goths arrived in Ukraine from the West along the Danube
  • the “true” Goths constituted a very small part of the original population over which they ruled
  • the Western Slavs are descendants of Goths who – at some point – switched languages
  • the Western Slavs are descendants of the people who were ruled by the true Goths and never switched languages (“always” spoke “Slavic”) or switched languages but switched from a non-Gothic language (“Venetic” > Slavic)

These are just a few possibilities and are not all mutually exclusive.

That Przeworsk – the other archeological culture of the “Roman” period – was not “Vandalic” is discussed here.

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July 14, 2017

3 thoughts on “The % of Goth in a Goth

  1. Savalas

    To know Goths you need to know both Y- and mt-dna, all clads. I know people named Guć and Gudi – they look I/Q/N/R1a (in alphabetical order) some are big, some small; some pale, some specled; black and brown haired, pale blue, greyish and brown eyed. Generally more R1a/N looking than any other Germanics I can think of. Their temperament SlavoFinnic – reserved but pointy rather than Celtic show offy and manipulative like in other Germanics. They have Swedish own solutions, Slavic complacency and clique fitology, Finnic coolness and quirks, Indian nature love and generally NEastern P2P. They are Goths ; )

    1. torino Post author

      Most certainly Goths.

      “I/Q/N/R1a (in alphabetical order)” – you need to work on that alphabet though


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